Kupu‘āina Live! Webcast #15

Webisode #15 2003-03-23 Kupu‘āina Live!

In today's Kupu‘āina Live! We explain why the recent SuperFerry ruling isn't something to necessarily worry about in drafting "ceded" lands legislation. We also talk about what we consider to be a "sneaky" change in the language of SB 1677, that most people don't know about.




Mahalo for your support.

The rumor was true!

Last week, we wrote about a rumor we heard regarding an unexpected change regarding Senate Bill 1677.

Finally, the information has been made available online. If you haven't read the original SB 1677, you might not notice the difference. SB 1677 originally required a two-thirds approval for the sale of "ceded" lands. Media reports and capitol insiders suggested that a two-thirds approval is difficult to achieve so a two-thirds approval effectively prevents the sale of "ceded" lands. But recently, the State House of Representatives' Water, Land & Ocean Resources Committee (WLO) and the Judiciary Committee (JUD) have changed the language of SB 1677. Instead of requiring a two-thirds approval for the sale of lands, now, a two-thirds dis-approval is needed to stop the sale of lands. Below is the relevant changed language.

     (2) Making proposed sales or exchanges of state lands subject to legislative disapproval by:
          (A) The adoption of a resolution by a two-thirds majority vote of either the senate or the house of representatives; or
          (B) The adoption of a concurrent resolution passed by simple majority vote of both houses of the legislature.

This change in the House, after SB 1677 already passed the Senate, means that this bill will most likely need to be brought to conference for the Senate and House to discuss the bill, assuming SB 1677 is passed out of the House Finance Committee (FIN).

It is very disappointing that the two committees, WLO and JUD, changed the language. A good amount (the majority actually) of testimony supported 1677 before the language of a two-thirds majority dis-approval was made.

As of the time of this posting, SB 1677 has not yet been scheduled for a hearing with the FIN committee. We will keep you updated.

What's going on at the capitol?

As we wrote last week, SB 1677 was heard in joint committee with Water, Land & Ocean Resources (WLO) and Judiciary (JUD).

Late last night, Kupu‘āina received a credible tip that the language of SB 1677 was being revised. Instead of requiring a two-third majority approval vote for the sale of "ceded" lands, reportedly, the revised version would allow sales but require a two-thirds dis-approval vote of the legislature.

A two-thirds dis-approval vote is a VERY BAD idea and the exact opposite of what is proposed in SB 1677. Local newspapers have reported, and legislative insiders have said, that a two-thirds approval is difficult to achieve. Acknowledging this, we can conclude that a two-thirds approval vote is difficult and therefore, sales of "ceded" lands will be difficult. However, if only a two-thirds disapproval is required to prevent sales of "ceded" lands, then we can conclude that, since a two-thirds majority vote is difficulty to achieve, then it will be difficult to stop a sale of "ceded" lands.

I spoke with a few people this morning. Apparently, a few others have heard the same thing. Information isn't available online yet. Mark Bennett testified in opposition to this bill, yet it was passed. No indication was given at the committee hearings on 3/13/09 that the changes made to Bill 1667 included a "two-thirds disapproval."

As we get more information, we'll be sure to keep you updated.

We Need You To Send E-mails to the House This Time

We previously asked you to send e-mails to the Senate. We now need you to send e-mails supporting SB 1085, to the State House of Representatives.

E-mails should be sent to HAWtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov and reps@capitol.hawaii.gov Please include kupuaina@gmail.com in the BCC (Blind Carbon Copy). We'll appreciate it and it gives us some idea how many e-mails the Representatives get.

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Legislative Updates Senate Bills 1085 and 1677

If you've been keeping up with us on Twitter, you may have seen that on Friday, the House Committees on Water, Land & Ocean Resources (WLO) and Judiciary (JUD) passed Senate Bill 1677. You can find the status of SB 1677 by going to tinyurl.com/SB1677stat or CLICKING HERE.

Three people spoke to the committee:

• UH West O‘ahu Chancellor Gene Awakuni,


• Attorney General Mark Bennet, and


• Derek Kauanoe of the Kupu‘āina Coalition

Chancellor Awakuni did not testify for or against SB 1677 but expressed concern that the current language of the bill was too broad and could affect the UH O‘ahu campus, which he says does not sit on ceded lands. He expressed a desire to see the language narrowed in such a way so as to not impact the West O‘ahu campus in a manner that was not intended.

AG Mark Bennett, testified in opposition of SB 1677. From what I can recall, he emphasized that in the history of the State of Hawai‘i, no governor has abused authority in a way that "ceded" lands have been sold in substantial portions. I also remember Mark Bennett describing support for the current method of selling "ceded" lands in the legislature. If I understand correctly, the current process requires a two-thirds opposition of the state legislature. SB 1677 would require a two-thirds majority vote for a sale of "ceded" lands. From what I remember, he also commented that as a practical matter, SB 1677 does not make sense.

Derek Kauanoe testified in support of SB 1677 but expressed concern that it did not adequately reflect the public policy of the Legislature as declared in Senate Concurrent Resolution 40 (SCR 40). You can check out SCR 40 at http://tinyurl.com/09SCR40stat. SCR 40 declared the public policy of the State of Hawai‘i is to honor the decision of the Hawai‘i Supreme Court. In addition, SCR 40 also provided that appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court "is detrimental to the interests of all of the people of Hawai‘i and to the ongoing reconciliation process between the State and the Native Hawaiian people." Kauanoe also urged the two committees to adopt key language in SB 1085. You can check out SB 1085 by going to tinyurl.com/09SB1085stat. Generally, Kauanoe asked that SB 1677 be revised to better reflect SB 1085.

The committees passed SB 1677 with amendments, however, we're still waiting to see what specific amendments are being added.

I noticed today, that some time in the late afternoon yesterday (3/13/09) that the House Committee on Hawaiian Affairs has scheduled a hearing for SB 1085 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 9am in room 329. Mahalo goes out to Representative Mele Carroll for scheduling a hearing and giving more than 48 hours notice on this. This prompt scheduling provides people with a good amount of time to write testimony, for or against the bill, and the opportunity to meet the deadline as well.

In our opinion, SB 1085 is a better bill than SB 1677 for a few reasons:

• SB 1085, unlike SB 1677, is a re-affirmation of the Hawai‘i Supreme Court's "ceded" lands case opinion


• SB 1085, unlike SB 1677, also re-affirms the need for reconciliation with Native Hawaiians


• SB 1085, unlike SB 1677, places an actual moratorium (freeze) on the sale of ceded lands


• SB 1085, unlike SB 1677, provides a comprehensive process for the sale of ceded lands once the moratorium (freeze) is lifted.


• SB 1085, unlike SB 1677, is consistent with the Hawai‘i Legislature's expressed public policy found in Senate Concurrent Resolution 40.

We urge everyone to send e-mail testimonials to HAWtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov in support of SB 1085. Over the next day or so, we will be putting together a more complete e-mail list in addition to a few templates for people to send through e-mail. Mahalo for your support and please don't forget to watch Kupu‘āina Live! on Monday at 5:30pm at our website stopsellingcededlands.com.

SB 1677 is scheduled for a hearing

Just a few moments ago, we learned that earlier today, the House of Representatives scheduled Senate Bill 1677 for a hearing THIS FRIDAY!

This scheduling occurred a day after the Senate passed Senate Bill 1085, which is a much better bill than SB 1677. Go to tinyurl.com/KupuCast09-03-09 to watch the webcast where we discuss why SB 1085 is better than SB 1677.

Anyway, it is important that you copy and paste the below e-mail addresses and send out the e-mail below to:
WLOtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov, JUDtestimony@capitol.hawaii.gov, mailinglist@capitol.hawaii.gov, repito@capitol.hawaii.gov, rephar@capitol.hawaii.gov, repcabanilla@capitol.hawaii.gov, repchang@capitol.hawaii.gov, repchong@capitol.hawaii.gov, repcoffman@capitol.hawaii.gov, repherkes@capitol.hawaii.gov, repclee@capitol.hawaii.gov, repluke@capitol.hawaii.gov, repmorita@capitol.hawaii.gov, repsagum@capitol.hawaii.gov, repching@capitol.hawaii.gov, repthielen@capitol.hawaii.gov, repkaramatsu@capitol.hawaii.gov, repbelatti@capitol.hawaii.gov, repcarroll@capitol.hawaii.gov, repmckelvey@capitol.hawaii.gov, repmizuno@capitol.hawaii.gov, repboshiro@capitol.hawaii.gov, repsouki@capitol.hawaii.gov, reptsuji@capitol.hawaii.gov, repwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov, repmarumoto@capitol.hawaii.gov

Please BCC us at kupuaina@gmail.com

Please cut and paste the e-mail template below

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[Insert Name Here]
House Committee on Water, Land & Ocean Resources
House Committee on Judiciary
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 2:00pm
SB 1677


Dear Committee Chair Ken Ito, Madame Vice-Chair Sharon Har and members of the Committee on Water, Land, & Ocean Resources,

Dear Committee Chair Jon Karamatsu, Vice-Chair Ken Ito, and members of the Committee on Judiciary,

My name is [insert name]. I submit testimony in support of Senate Bill 1677 on the condition that SB 1677 be amended to better reflect the Hawai‘i Legislature’s policy as defined in Senate Concurrent Resolution 40, passed by the Senate and adopted by the House of Representatives last month.

Through Senate Concurrent Resolution 40, as members of the Legislature, you

• urged the Governor to “withdraw the appeal to the United States Supreme Court of the Hawai‘i State Supreme Court decision” in the “ceded” lands case, and


• declared “the public policy of the State of Hawai‘i is to honor the decision of the Hawai‘i Supreme Court.”

Passing SB 1677, in its current form, does not reflect the public policy described in Senate Concurrent Resolution 40.

I urge you to add the language below to SB 1677:

      Chapter 171, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

     "§171- Limitation on sale and transfers. The State shall not dispose of any lands in the public land trust, as described in subsection 171-18(a), whether by lease with option to purchase, sale, or exchange, except as provided in subsection 171-18(d); provided that the State may dispose of lands in the public land trust pursuant to subsection 171-18(c), if one of the following conditions is met:

      (1) The claims of the native Hawaiian people, as defined in the United States Apology Resolution, Pub. L. No. 103-150, 107 Stat. 1510 (1993), have been resolved;

      (2) The legislature finds pursuant to a concurrent resolution adopted by at least two-thirds majority vote of the members to which each house is entitled that the State no longer supports reconciliation between the State and the native Hawaiian people; or

      (3) The approval of the disposition of the public lands trust land by lease with option to purchase, sale, or exchange occurs after December 31, 2014."

In addition to the above language, I also urge you to add the language below:

      Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, the State, its political subdivisions, boards, agencies, departments, and entities created pursuant to state law, may hold or manage public land trust lands, as described in subsection (a), by lease, permit, license, easement, exchange, or set aside. In addition, upon the occurrence of an event as described in section 171- (1), (2), or (3), the State, its political subdivisions, boards, agencies, departments, and any other state entity may dispose of public land trust lands, whether by lease with option to purchase, sale, or exchange, provided that all of the following conditions are met:

      (1) The State establishes a compelling state interest for the disposition;

      (2) There is no reasonable alternate means to accomplish the compelling state interest;

      (3) The disposition is limited to accomplishing the compelling state interest; and

      (4) The disposition is approved by the legislature by concurrent resolution adopted by at least two-thirds majority vote of the members to which each house is entitled.

     The conditions described in subsection (c)(1) to (4) shall not prevent the State from:

      (1) Disposing of remnants, as defined in section 171-52;

      (2) Providing easements to public utilities and government agencies pursuant to section 171-95; or

      (3) Engaging in land exchanges pursuant to sections 171-50 and 171-51."

The above proposed language better reflects the public policy of our Legislature. Any and all text in the current form of SB 1677 that contradicts this proposed language should be omitted/stricken so as to recognize that the proposed language above is the language recognized in the Bill.

I urge you to pass 1677 only with amendments. I also urge you to schedule a hearing for SB 1085 which better reflects the public policy declared by our legislature.

Thank you for this opportunity to submit testimony.

[Insert your name]

Hawaii State Senate Passes SB 1085

Media contacts:
Derek Kauanoe kupuaina@gmail.com
Davis Price kupuaina@gmail.com

For Immediate Release:
March 10, 2009


State Senate Passes “Ceded” Lands Moratorium Bill

HONOLULU, HI -- Today, the Hawai‘i Senate passed Senate Bill 1085, which places a 5-year moratorium on the sale of ceded lands and provides a process for the sale of “ceded” lands after the moratorium is no longer in effect.

SB 1085 was passed with 24 votes with 1 senator voting against it.

SB 1085 will now go to the Hawai‘i State House of Representatives.

Last week, SB 1677, which was also passed out of the Senate and crossed over to the House of Representatives, passed the House Hawaiian Affairs committee. SB 1677, does not provide a moratorium but instead requires a two-thirds majority vote in both the House and the Senate for “ceded” lands sales.

Derek Kauanoe, speaking for the Kupu‘āina Coalition, described SB 1085 as a bill that “is good for all of Hawai‘i generally. While SB 1085 acknowledges the unrelinquished claims of Native Hawaiians, it also provides a comprehensive process to protect the ceded lands for the general public.” Kauanoe continued to explain, “unlike the continental United States, in Hawai‘i, we have limited natural resources such as land. SB 1085 provides a process to ensure that proposed transfers of lands will be used for important purposes only. This process goes into effect when the moratorium is over.”

The Kupu‘āina Coalition is an organization, of current law school students and recent law school graduates of the William S. Richardson School of Law, that is dedicated towards the protection of “ceded” lands.